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	<title>Comments on: AWFJ Women On Film - The Week In Women, October 16, 2009 - MaryAnn Johanson</title>
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		<title>By: AWFJ Women On Film - The Week In Women, November 20, 2009 - MaryAnn Johanson - Alliance of Women Film Journalists -</title>
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		<dc:creator>AWFJ Women On Film - The Week In Women, November 20, 2009 - MaryAnn Johanson - Alliance of Women Film Journalists -</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I noted earlier, I do think Nick Hornby is one of the good guys, as least based on other things he’s said about writing An Education. But is this really representative of women’s contributions to that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MaryAnn Johanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryAnn Johanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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Any woman would be to if the rolles were reversed. 
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Except that roles are rarely reversed, at least on film — perhaps never. (I certainly cannot think of a film in which a man is raped and murdered and his wife sets out to extract vengeance.)

It’s not that it’s not understandable that a man would be angry were the women he loves to become the victims of a violent crime: it’s that this is *such* an easy way to rile up an audience, and one used *so very often* by unthinking cinema — that is, suggesting that violent crimes against women *entitle* men to go vigilante — that makes it worth commenting on. As I said in a comment at FlickFilosopher.com, it’s all about:

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the abuse of the trope. If this were the only movie ever to have used such a setup, I doubt we’d be complaining. It’s a cheat on the movie’s part and it insults the audience. It assumes — and perhaps rightly so — that a less emotionally wrought crime would be harder to get an audience riled up about. But that’s the whole point of our criminal justice system: it’s supposed to remove, as much as possible, the emotion and the subjectiveness from the process. A movie like this is so entirely antithetical to a civilized process of justice that it indicts itself… except that most people won’t ever think about it that way, and will only whoop and cheer and call it a good time at the movies.
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If your point was that it could easily be, say, a wife and a little boy, or a husband and a little boy, then okay, but that’s not how your little blurb reads.
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But that is NOT my point. It could NOT be this way and be even remotely like the same movie.

The difference is between what happens in real life, and what happens in the movies. The two are not always the same.</description>
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Any woman would be to if the rolles were reversed.
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<p>Except that roles are rarely reversed, at least on film — perhaps never. (I certainly cannot think of a film in which a man is raped and murdered and his wife sets out to extract vengeance.)</p>
<p>It’s not that it’s not understandable that a man would be angry were the women he loves to become the victims of a violent crime: it’s that this is *such* an easy way to rile up an audience, and one used *so very often* by unthinking cinema — that is, suggesting that violent crimes against women *entitle* men to go vigilante — that makes it worth commenting on. As I said in a comment at FlickFilosopher.com, it’s all about:</p>
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the abuse of the trope. If this were the only movie ever to have used such a setup, I doubt we’d be complaining. It’s a cheat on the movie’s part and it insults the audience. It assumes — and perhaps rightly so — that a less emotionally wrought crime would be harder to get an audience riled up about. But that’s the whole point of our criminal justice system: it’s supposed to remove, as much as possible, the emotion and the subjectiveness from the process. A movie like this is so entirely antithetical to a civilized process of justice that it indicts itself… except that most people won’t ever think about it that way, and will only whoop and cheer and call it a good time at the movies.
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If your point was that it could easily be, say, a wife and a little boy, or a husband and a little boy, then okay, but that’s not how your little blurb reads.
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<p>But that is NOT my point. It could NOT be this way and be even remotely like the same movie.</p>
<p>The difference is between what happens in real life, and what happens in the movies. The two are not always the same.</p>
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		<title>By: MBI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MBI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to put words in her mouth, but what I think she was probably objecting to was the idea that the only reason women existed in that movie was to be raped and murdered and cause Gerard Butler's descent into insanity/badassness. (In comics criticism, this is called Women in Refrigerators Syndrome.) In any case, she could have worded that better certainly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to put words in her mouth, but what I think she was probably objecting to was the idea that the only reason women existed in that movie was to be raped and murdered and cause Gerard Butler&#8217;s descent into insanity/badassness. (In comics criticism, this is called Women in Refrigerators Syndrome.) In any case, she could have worded that better certainly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to say the same thing Marshall says. If I had a wife and daughter and someone killed them, I'm pretty sure I'd be angry too. If your point was that it could easily be, say, a wife and a little boy, or a husband and a little boy, then okay, but that's not how your little blurb reads.

I also think it's a shame that Thurman and Dieckmann are making those comments while promoting a movie that looks appallingly bad. It's the same thing with a movie I reviewed last week called Creating Karma, which noted in the press materials that the two women who wrote and directed it were trying to create roles for funny women, but it was a serious competitor for the worst movie I've ever seen.

It's also a shame that I can't feel the same way about An Education. I saw it and thought it was overwhelmingly familiar. It seems like even Mary Ann should agree; how about a story about a young girl who makes smart decisions and does clever, funny things rather than gets swept up in the ritzy glamour of a sophisticated older guy who's obviously bad for her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to say the same thing Marshall says. If I had a wife and daughter and someone killed them, I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;d be angry too. If your point was that it could easily be, say, a wife and a little boy, or a husband and a little boy, then okay, but that&#8217;s not how your little blurb reads.</p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s a shame that Thurman and Dieckmann are making those comments while promoting a movie that looks appallingly bad. It&#8217;s the same thing with a movie I reviewed last week called Creating Karma, which noted in the press materials that the two women who wrote and directed it were trying to create roles for funny women, but it was a serious competitor for the worst movie I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a shame that I can&#8217;t feel the same way about An Education. I saw it and thought it was overwhelmingly familiar. It seems like even Mary Ann should agree; how about a story about a young girl who makes smart decisions and does clever, funny things rather than gets swept up in the ritzy glamour of a sophisticated older guy who&#8217;s obviously bad for her?</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this column regularly, and I love it because of the different viewpoints and the way it makes me think about things. But this, "Wanna get a man really, really angry? Rape and murder his wife and adorable little girl. Gerard Butler is super pissed off after his female property is taken away from him in Law Abiding Citizen, but what else is new?
" kinda upset me. The way this is written though, you make it sound like it's somehow bad if a guy gets mad if this were to actually happen. Does the character played by Gerard Butler really think of his wife and daughter as property? Any man in his right mind would be extremely upset and angry if something like this happened. Any woman would be to if the rolles were reversed. If anything, this sort of reaction is a human one, not a male or female exlusive feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this column regularly, and I love it because of the different viewpoints and the way it makes me think about things. But this, &#8220;Wanna get a man really, really angry? Rape and murder his wife and adorable little girl. Gerard Butler is super pissed off after his female property is taken away from him in Law Abiding Citizen, but what else is new?<br />
&#8221; kinda upset me. The way this is written though, you make it sound like it&#8217;s somehow bad if a guy gets mad if this were to actually happen. Does the character played by Gerard Butler really think of his wife and daughter as property? Any man in his right mind would be extremely upset and angry if something like this happened. Any woman would be to if the rolles were reversed. If anything, this sort of reaction is a human one, not a male or female exlusive feeling.</p>
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